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(11:28:10) dorisbot: Program "steno" enabled.
(11:28:19) invisible: who programmed the configuration of the Department of Reading, connecting Skype and Wiki in an online reading group
(11:28:24) invisible: change chat
(11:29:06) invisible: writing module in the department of reading
(11:29:36) invisible: I#m going to type along the talk
(11:29:57) invisible: and really the question of practice
(11:30:02) invisible: projects I'm showing
(11:30:08) invisible: specifically
(11:30:11) invisible: interesting
(11:30:13) invisible: good thing
(11:30:52) invisible: my own practice rather cryptic typing is computer science
(11:30:59) invisible: I love keywords
(11:31:04) invisible: an approach to writing
(11:31:08) invisible: on a manual typewriter+
(11:31:20) invisible: watching the hammers come together
(11:31:46) invisible: a keyboard tried to keep the letters you used most frequently apart from each other
(11:31:48) invisible: i love to type
(11:32:04) invisible: i teach
(11:32:05) invisible: i live
(11:32:09) invisible: i am part of a group
(11:32:13) invisible: i am not at art school
(11:32:37) invisible: what should I say
(11:32:45) invisible: i did things around flutgraben
(11:32:54) invisible: not up to date one motivation for coming
(11:33:03) invisible: I work around revolution
(11:33:09) invisible: and body and revolution
(11:33:19) invisible: i am also archiving
(11:34:05) invisible: i am also doing a phd between two different practices that i am interested in
(11:34:12) invisible: spoken and bodily language
(11:34:24) invisible: between a booklet and a performance
(11:34:28) invisible: processes and immateriality
(11:34:41) invisible: choreography of objects and of ideas
(11:34:46) invisible: i work with different things
(11:34:56) invisible: I have a lot of collaborations, they are different
(11:35:02) invisible: in some i am reading a lot
(11:35:07) invisible: this body of read text
(11:35:12) invisible: we are writing
(11:35:18) invisible: together but seperately
(11:35:25) invisible: but then we combine it
(11:35:58) invisible: you have different languages, can you just overlap them, is it about expression? in one paper?
(11:36:27) invisible: i had the great opportunity of doing the workshop capitalism as we live it in this room
(11:36:49) invisible: we love to clock time
(11:36:56) invisible: which some other people think is terrible
(11:37:08) invisible: how to do practices to be able to do things together
(11:37:44) invisible: i am writing everything to the wiki page
(11:37:49) invisible: it is not a hidden log
(11:37:51) invisible: it is here
(11:37:56) invisible: really here right now
(11:40:07) invisible: off record
(11:40:29) invisible: i am here as a guest in residency at the watchtower
(11:40:51) invisible: phd is a very particular theoretical practice
(11:43:22) invisible: i rethink my way of thinking and its embeddedness within discursive norms. as an architect you are always in the situation of working with others. except critique architecture is never perceived as being by one author, it is always produced with others. i focus on new belgrade and the changes in its built spheres. i look at the degree of interaction in the built sphere in socialism in yugoslavia. i was here two years ago, w
(11:43:23) invisible: hich was a nice introduction to my research practice. i want to see how criticism is seen as the sole product of one person while other persons reside in ourselves
(11:44:59) invisible: i am working on the department of reading. the practice we have together at flutgraben... maybe, i have a background in literature and philosophy and became interested in processes of writing together. it all plays a role in trying to reconfigure the department of reading, and in flutgraben. what is our politics with our guests how does a group work collectively?
(11:46:08) invisible: inverse institution we call the programmatic approach at flutgraben the question that comes up again and again is how can we archive the moments and correspondances of these situations. how to archive and how to publish as well
(11:47:12) invisible: i am a student i am currently at art school and i work a lot in groups, one is starting to work here next week. we try to research how collectives can be formed what comes out of it, what agencies can be developed, which programs do arise. the project is a writing project as well, we work a lot with text, which I think I always do
(11:48:21) invisible: in a group we often have to develop a communication through a distance, to exchange text or other materials. the given possibilities I feel really channel the way this can take place. We would like to take control over the platforms we can do that with
(11:50:24) invisible: one more person arrives
(11:50:43) invisible: she takes a glass of water
(11:51:10) invisible: michael starts speaking
(11:51:42) invisible: i am working with a wiki for this presentation and you can find these slides
(11:51:55) invisible: (I just had that gesture ? that was scary)
(11:52:28) invisible: a broad stroke through everything
(11:53:50) invisible: the idea of inverse institution is maybe very compatible with concepts we are working with. Constant is an association in Brussels / quote from website /
(11:55:49) invisible: it works as a kind of network, non-profit with a board, paid to do administration to keep it running. it has formal members but it doesn't matter really whether you're a member or not. they organize different projects like junktions. they wanted to start working using free software, many have other practices next to constant but there is really a network of practices around constant
(11:57:09) invisible: Active Archives is one of Constants projects. Others are Women and free software, hackerspace Brussels, Libre Graphics and other initiatives connect to Constant. That's Constant
(11:58:20) invisible: Active Archives started in 2006, I wasn't involved at that time. Miren Eraso was the chief librarian at Arteleku in San Sebastian. From being the chief librarian she became the director. people were producing radio, she wanted to rethink institutional practice.
(11:59:01) invisible: When the project started it gave itself a manifesto that claimed wanting to connect different areas of practice, editing, archiving, cataloging, publishing, broadcasting, ?? off- and online practices
(11:59:58) invisible: Active Archives is very interested in the tools people use when they do things, when they make things happen. Interesting in conditions of use of data, sharing data,
(12:01:19) invisible: the word care came up a lot these days, mostly in relation to people and institutions and social relations, but there is also the side of caring for the data. coming from traditional archiving practice. the idea of a digital file is completely different. the duplication allows anyone anywhere having this data. how do you archive digitally then?
(12:02:26) invisible: the problem with so many online tools is the poverty through generalization, like wedding, white, germany, girl
(12:02:54) invisible: centrality
(12:04:33) invisible: numeric codes for traditional library system for managing library catalogues with a strict hierarchy. It is about the physical placing of books. lets say 200 is religion and then it has christian religion to 290 and other religions are squeezed in a little bracket
(12:05:02) invisible: can I ask what is the difference between the Moscow Library System and the Dewey?
(12:06:16) invisible: visiting a physcial archive, it's ab out feminism, there's a box saying "small objects" (femke uses that as an image in her presentations)
(12:09:00) invisible: language at online tools, sound cloud, Sound Cloud's employees sign as "your friends at sound cloud", terms of use are uneven, you are licensed, you are not given any rights, you're given the license to use a platform, which can be taken away from you, if you break the rules. saying roughly, you're not supposed to make any use of the content of this platform. anti duplication, anti free use
(12:10:59) invisible: we started the project not by programming a platform or tools but we had interesting sets of workshops with different archives. Laurence Rassel moved to tapies foundation which opened up this project. this is their archive, it is just in their working room or they are working in their archive.
(12:12:06) invisible: they were working on a legal tool ?? we worked a lot with archivists ?? there are so many grey areas they were asking can we publish this text? can we use this material? they wanted to help manage that work to clear materials that could be okay to use or problematic
(12:12:49) invisible: we talk with people about the interfaces they use
(12:13:00) invisible: we ask them to open the backend and show us what they would change
(12:14:49) invisible: I have my software and I have my children. when the friends came to home.... i was cooking ... he came to the kitchen and he came to ask .... always always always we were speaking about the software
(12:16:36) invisible: this has been such an intimate relation to software, it was very intimate to the institution, it's a very intimate connection that an archivist has with an archive
(12:19:11) invisible: working across practices
promiscuous pipeline
used in linux
the ideal you have a lot of ... we look at michaels computer in awe
(12:20:10) invisible: i type the ls command
(12:20:27) invisible: ls means list
(12:20:36) invisible: it can play the movie rear window
(12:20:52) invisible: it was only a bit of innocent fun
(12:22:46) invisible: i can scroll through the entire subtitles of rear window
(12:22:47) invisible: See things you shouldn't see
(12:22:55) invisible: Like a couple of taxis on broadway
(12:23:30) invisible: Eleven hundred?
(12:24:12) invisible: We wouldn't have gotten married
(12:24:28) invisible: A woman has a favorite handbag
(12:24:44) invisible: if the poor woman is alive and well
(12:25:04) invisible: she'd be wearing that ring, right?
(12:26:38) invisible: i teach these tools in an art school to people who find it physically difficult to type. language difference, how do you type that character?
(12:29:19) invisible: If that woman was alive, she'd be wearing that ring, right?
(12:29:50) invisible: before you turn into a lonesome bitter man
(12:30:36) invisible: inverted cencorship
(12:33:53) invisible: introducing this way to maneuver data that is operating with text, if you twist it a step further, video is editable through text, basically by quoting
(12:34:33) invisible: in fact this edit is not made, but basically the curser is flying from out-point to in-point
(12:36:23) invisible: I'm really into wiki, it is the connection from reading to writing
(12:36:59) invisible: repeating words
(12:38:06) invisible: making them quicker, stressing them, repeating syllables, doubling words to show the tenses, dance or dance dance, what are you?
(12:38:24) invisible: double dance, Tšnzertšnzer
(12:42:36) invisible: video wiki is one project within active archive, the choice to say we call it a browser was a small step, but very significant in comparison to programs, where you virtually upload your data into an interface, you really offer your data. why not just adding this meta-text
(12:44:22) invisible: yes, the software is very familiar, it's my third son
(12:47:30) invisible: you can "quote" a video or audio-url to the video wiki, it shows it in a video player. I can click on annotate and a text window appears
(12:48:09) invisible: institutions produce recordings of events
(12:50:26) invisible: can I go to that site and browse through the file with someone elses annotations?
(12:56:44) invisible: can a group, that has worked with several meetings, that collected transcripts, scripts, announcements, protocolls, have its internal working area, using a password?
(12:58:46) invisible: there is a lot of talking about making searching across different institutions work
(13:05:00) invisible: it's really an archiving system. it's an internal google. whereas the search engines of google crawl the web to tag and filter data, you'd want to classify your data as precise as possible as it is your working material
(13:05:40) invisible: you could connect flutgraben's archive to constant's archive to lothringer's or wir spielens archive
(13:08:30) invisible: it's important to be able to make annotations to a video but keep it private. one could check which annotations someone else is using so you could potentially connect archives.
(13:08:52) invisible: you could work digitally but offline. it's an option we should remember from pre-internet experience
(13:15:02) invisible: department you could basically get and put text onto the wiki, overwriting the textboxes, working with a wiki page talking to each other in a chat program. the unintended consequences of connecting platforms instead of writing one entire new program, speed, social connection, things happen
(13:16:33) invisible: technical problem can be solved through the group practice
(13:19:45) invisible: department of reading was always interwoven with a practice of writing; how strongly do writing and reading differ from each other, how close could their connection be? coming from a practice of reading to a practice of writing. before we were using mainly existing texts
(13:20:07) invisible: now it is more trying to reconfiger the department of reading that automatizes the space of writing together.
(13:21:29) invisible: we try to use it for moments of writing. to use the wiki page as if it were really a sheet of paper. we never started to think of the internet in difference to paper, but always kept the relation to published books. which include editing, conflicts,
(13:23:33) invisible: the new feature in the department of reading is that you start from an empty page that is limited by a grid of numbers. any kind of text can be placed. it gives you the feeling that you write on a sheet of paper that is actually that big. you could start writing in any corner by yourself. now you could post text attached to already existing text. you have new text and can put it below, above, left or right existing text by
(13:23:38) invisible: quoting
(13:25:28) invisible: that this is a configuration of a lot of different programs, modules, is very relevant somehow, because it introduces the group and use of the group as determining the possibilities as much as the technical framework
(13:25:47) invisible: you now have the possibility to group textfragments together
(13:26:35) invisible: and another one "paragraph" which would allow you by quoting to draw together very different portions of text towards one paragraph
(13:37:29) invisible: does it turn towards an audience? has it every been applied to a "real context"?
(13:38:17) invisible: the project of the newspaper discusses itself includes the question what practice of writing or political writing is possible. so i guess that is an inherent question to this project. who is the addressee?
(13:38:43) invisible: the re-configuration of the department of reading and the beginning of the project of a newspaper coincide but they are not bound to each other
(13:39:05) invisible: I think it would even be useful for a group to use over months if they'd like to develop a collective reading practice
(13:39:24) invisible: we're discussing what gestures of sending, of addressing this sort of text requires
(13:40:53) invisible: we have been discussing this step of going from these textfragments and paragraphs to a page to then print it
(13:41:47) invisible: that is not the notion of the book, but in this realm of electronic publishing this step is very useful: What is the difference? What happens when you decide to print, when you take it offline?
(13:44:15) invisible: i am also working in the Netherlands with the institutions who have sadly lost their funding.
(13:44:43) invisible: this is throws them back to the question of archiving, realizing that maintaining the archives and databases still requires work and requires money.
(13:45:14) invisible: we have been engaged into turning data(bases) back into documents. into things you can pass on, things that pass on usb sticks, so it can circulate
(13:47:24) invisible: open source publishing uses GIT, its a tool that turns a folder into a wiki. it was his own tool to manage the linux project (a man also had his favorite handbag and turned it into a wiki) you make changes and you comit it. but important is the term forking. the tool gives you a handle to connect the self-contained archives, it tries to help you merge
(13:48:00) invisible: Linus Thorwald, it was his handbag
(13:48:12) invisible: we didn't come to the question:
(13:48:18) invisible: what is an archive to an institution?
(13:48:25) invisible: is there an institution without an archive?
(13:48:34) invisible: what is an institution without an archive
(13:49:05) invisible: there's the book called the art of memory which discusses all concepts, from mideaval concepts of memories, for example the theatre as a form of memory
(13:50:40) invisible: with this idea that everyone could potentially have his/her own memorystick ?? the question of on- and offline, people producing their own rings, there is something retro about it. the ancient critique of writing was always that writing would erase your ability to memorize. it was always considered something secondary.
(13:51:59) invisible: it would be interesting to look at the practice of memorizing with the renaissance concepts because you would have these toys, these wheels, that would symbolize how you would trigger .... kabbala... if you would change one letter it would change the entire configuration of the work
(13:52:06) invisible: Frances Yates
(13:52:10) invisible: the art of memory
(13:52:14) invisible: active archives
(13:52:31) invisible: why would you call it archiving
(13:53:27) invisible: one of my friend is an archivist who works in the archive in Stockholm, and someone came to see the piles of data, storage and shelves of books. but he talks much more about the index, the indexing system. maybe the archivists role is more to navigate a way through the data
(13:56:36) invisible: is there an institution without an archive?
(13:57:35) invisible: an institution proves it exists over time through documentation which is tied to written language. there is not institution where three people gather on a regular bases and start from scratch
(13:57:57) invisible: i never want to document everything in my collaborations, I say: no let's not have an archive!
(13:58:32) invisible: but maybe we need other people's archives then. or develop other practices of memory, like the theatre, where you memorize your lines, the beginning set of the play maybe
(13:58:46) invisible: sarma.be
(14:01:44) invisible: i work as an economist much of my time in development more with political economy but i studied art, with people who do political theatre in west africa for 20 years. they are very refined in this working collectively, writing theatre collectively.
(14:02:58) invisible: after having worked so much in the development field with its hegemonial language and hegemonial backup, to find this way of using language they write short pieces and play them in the street and discuss the scenes. they transcribe lived politics
(14:07:21) invisible: they also annotate their pieces. alainde.org, to make them understandable in another part of the country
(14:10:12) invisible: these pieces are tagged, you can read the script here, there you see a lot of Wolof, some parts are translated. There is one piece about Decentralization that I just spoke about, here are newspaper articles, photographs of performed scenes but also of real situations, from the newspaper for instance. someone who doesn't know the story can get information on the situation, but the most interesting are the dialogs. how to put
(14:10:13) invisible: a complex situation into an exchange of voices, into a dialogue. their practice of writing is collective
(14:10:50) invisible: its a group of actors, they have some time to write, they want to play it on the street, they try to reduce the information, very simple, put dialogs together, finished.
(14:12:19) invisibility: it's a form of activism
(14:12:27) invisibility: I need a little annotation
(14:12:39) invisibility: for the international context of this conflict
(14:13:42) invisibility: they can explain in three seconds their embeddedness into the international conflicts, what it has to do with Russia, global transactions and markets
(14:14:33) invisibility: there is one piece that deals with someone who wants to go on strike but the family argues against it because they need his income. It's another sort of strike piece
(14:15:01) invisibility: the archive is a political memory, but what is lacking is a level, fields of meaning are not only semantic but they have a political direction
(14:16:41) invisibility: there is not so much time to do this, to discuss annotation, travel is expensive, people can't take so much time off work
(14:20:29) invisibility: this is not representing their practice, they have their own website. this is just taking the texts to archive them
(14:32:11) invisibility: not having the potential usage already written into the aparatus you are using, already having all options and its limitations written into the protokoll
(14:34:31) invisibility: thank you, we're finished

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