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participating: magdalenatc, helliep, brendan byrne, deemeetree, soenkeha, jack henrie, kimberley

question of translation, interpretation etc as rewriting of the text is it that some kind of common practice would appear throughout the reading or would one make oneself common within the approach to that poem itself - if there is something like a singular approach to a poem like this, how does that approach become a common one? computational little machines that together work on reading the poem – how do we 'run' or 'execute' it together? poem itself contains fragments of syntax we can use to manipulate it makes it one of those little computational machines as well what its commands execute or maybe how they are used in order to become operative what i find interesting that how these embedded semantic associations resemble the language used by doris. it's almost as if we looked into the text that doris "reads" we would see another one of mez's poems. and i guess this relates to how they can be used to become operative and this manual you posted in the beginning of this session. and that's why it's so engaging to play with it – almost like we immediately understand the language of the poem, because the language we can use to speak to it is the same somehow. though that as well offers an immediate passage of language, it's similarity, a translation that is executed in playing, but passes somehow unnoticed at the same time meaning=use and I wonder, if that use has the potential to erase the awareness for meaning or shift it towards the awareness about that use; awareness of it word by word, or rather of each sign lingering in each word. a sign then that asks for use? it's almost as if the words change places with punctuation. we start communicating / perceiving / manipulating the poem through grammatical rules and words become the punctuation. punctuation = vocabulary is this form of poem, this kind of vehicular language, that borrows from the language of coding, but turned to a "poetic" or expressive end, somehow more open to a collective authoring procedure? perhaps as has potential to read/write what can and cannot be said vehicular language" – i like it :) "It is true that software cannot exercise its powers of lightness except through the weight of hardware. But it is software that gives the orders, acting on the outside world and on machines that exist only as functions of software and evolve so that they can work out ever more complex programs." (calvino) then not only these poems are more open to the collective authoring procedure, they are asking for it if this kind of poem is more or in a different way open to common authoring, and if so, in which manner it might allow to read/write something that otherwise wouldn't find a modality of articulation; it seems that it's also more open to collective authoring because by a [lucky] coincidence we can use a similar language to author it. i wonder if we could only do it via drag and drop for example – whether it would be as exciting as in jouissance?????????? its form by not being fixed allows for multiple permutations, each of them on the same level, no hierarchy there; hierarchy seems impossible here? almost as if it introduces a grammar without rules…. animal grammar like communicating through barking. barking = yes/no = binary code? yes, 2 fingers. but at the same time we are only working within rules, within particular set of combinations and alphabet ++ yes, the rules of manipulation – but the poems themselves don't almost seem to have any rules. or at least invite us to break them. or the rules make the emergence? i wonder what rules will emerge and how they will change if we let it run for a long time how about starting from where we leave off by the way – does your wiki track the history of the changes? i'm just interested in that because if we have the history saved this way, then we could see how the rules that formed in time affected the structure step by step for example i was noticing how we started in the beginning working with individual lines then progressed towards blocks of text then with colors we were even affecting the visual structure of the whole page and visually we could make an animation of the evolution as process not thing? why would we want to do it? ;) if we can do the thing itself :) you don't have to :) it's just if you do the thing itself you have a certain perception of it which can change when you speed up time, choose only a fragment, and so on cos (even if fixed as animation) it shows process not end. shows flows and flights.

Beautiful i guess this is what it would look like if she was writing in numbers what is the rule? what is expansion what is the rule? and what is the expansion? and [what is] {the rule?} {the expansion?} we need to finish in 5 minutes mean i will have to pack up, but you might want to continue …and hello am finally back online at the place, where I thought, I could take part from today - but it's nice to read, what you have been writing the last 30 minutes i want to be part of your collective data poem but i don't know how i said i said red what i noticed was after playing with doris and with the text for 1.5 hours in the beginning i could take language as serious anymore. it sort of dissipated into symbols and words which were there to play with, not to make meanings but to make various arrangements. 01000011101011100 no, stay!!!! 24 june 5-8pm stay!!!!





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Rule Expansion
S -> 0 -> 1 _ I 2 _ r 3 l l y _ 1
1 -> w h a t _ d o _ y o u 2 ? what do you mean?
2 -> _ m 3 n _mean
3 -> e a ea
i like how you say locations not lines containers
S -> 0 -> S o 1 o w e v 2 m 3 y 4 1 5 e , 6 a c h 4 _ 7 l l 8 e 6 9 a
10 11 12 13 14 _ d 14 15 16 - 15 17 18 s a 19 20 19 p u t 20 9 13 o 21 8 22 o 10 23 2 7 23 18 b 22 h 17 24 23 5 s _ 16 25 e 11 26 a d d e d . _ _ \n
1 -> _ h _h
2 -> 5 _ er
3 -> a n an
4 -> 24 f _ u s _of us
5 -> e r er
6 -> _ e _e
7 -> w i wi
8 -> _ b _b
9 -> n g ng
10 -> g e ge
11 -> d _ d
12 -> i n in
13 -> 27 h _th
14 -> i s is
15 -> 25 12 g _ 26 assembling and
16 -> r e re
17 -> a t at
18 -> 13 28 _the
19 -> m 28 me
20 -> t i ti
21 -> s e se
22 -> i t s 27 its t
23 -> t h th
24 -> _ o _o
25 -> a s 21 m b l assembl
26 -> 3 11 and
27 -> _ t _t
28 -> e _ e



Rule Expansion
S -> 0 -> \2 \4 _ j u n e _ \5 - \8 p m _ \n 24/06/2010\5\8 no expansion there, just rule; maybe it's because it has something to do with time time = rule the expansion of time = ? bye[bye] cia::l::0